Yvonne's Place for Crossdressers

Recently, a thread appeared on alt.fashion (if you haven't checked out this news group, you must!) that I thought crossdressers would find interesting: fixing makeup in public places. I would guess that most crossdressers would consider this a no-no and a dead giveaway. I always thought applying makeup in public would be wrong for me to do.

Much to my surprise, the fashion mavens of that newsgroup overwhelmingly felt otherwise. The consensus was that minor fixes to makeup in public were OK, especially in restaurants! These fixes were pretty much limited to lipstick and a touch of powder to the face and only during social occassions. It was considered taboo to apply lipstick at the table during a business lunch or meeting. Other makeup touch-ups, such as blush, eye shadow or liner, and especially fragrences, were definately considered inappropriate in public.

One participant in the thread made an interesting point. She noted that for herself, she tends to make some exagerated facial expressions when applying lipstick and felt it was better to do so in private. Well taken! At any rate, here is the complete thread, minus some message header information. Enjoy!

Yvonne

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:37:03 -0600

EmilyCCG wrote:
> I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places
> like at a table in a restaurant. Comments?

Love it. Don't change a thing.
Al

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:20:00 +0100

After every meal, my extremely stylish and beautiful grandmother pulls out her compact, lipstick, and lipbrush. She then powders her nose and applies her lipstick for all the world to see. My parents refer to this as a "forties thing." I think she looks very elegant when she does it.
-Nicole

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 28 Oct 1997 16:52:18 GMT

>After every meal, my extremely stylish and beautiful grandmother pulls
>out her compact, lipstick, and lipbrush. She then powders her nose and
>applies her lipstick for all the world to see. My parents refer to this
>as a "forties thing." I think she looks very elegant when she does it.
>-Nicole

Absolutely. My mom does the same thing. (She's in her mid 70's). She will not get up from the dining table without her lipstick. It's almost like the time spent going to the restroom without lipstick is the faux pas...

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 27 Oct 1997 11:29:43 GMT

I love this quote from Scarlett's catalogue - Only Real Women Repair in Public.

Depends on who I'm with, I guess. At a business type dinner, I'd never put on lipstick. I wouldn't do it on a first date. If I'm with a group of female friends at a cheesy pizza place or in the mall, yeah, I'll throw on some lipstick, maybe even a Blot Powder quick fix (hey if you had skin as oily as mine you'd do it too...when I swim in the ocean they have to clean off all the animals afterwards...)

Blush, eye anything, and foundation seem to be no-nos in my book. But I don't think I've ever looked at anyone repairing in public and thought "Oh, how tacky". I often have the "lipstick on teeth" syndrome, and better to whip out the mirror than go around grinning all day looking like a complete idiot.

Angela

<annonymous> wrote:

: Most of the time i run to the bathroom to apply, but i'll dare to apply: lipstick, liner, and powder at the table. Anything else-- go to the ladies room.

No one under 17 admitted without parent!

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:37:52 GMT

>I'm reminded of the time that some helmet head sprayed Aqua Net on her in the waiting area at Detroit Metro. The
>smell, I wanted to choke her:)
>Donna
>
>

Yeah, Donna. An ex-friend of mine sprayed her Paul Michel Freeze and Shine on in my compact car with the windows closed. How inconsiderate! I was literally choking from it. (She's an ex-friend for other reasons as well.)

Barb
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:53:30 GMT

imho, a dab of powder and application of lipstick is fine at the table amongst friends or a casual lunch. however, when lunching with clients, or boss in a non casual environment a visit to the powder room is the most appropriate way.......but please never ever douse oneself in public with fragrance or hairspray!!!
not exactly miss manners huh????
lisa in dallas
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:46:39 GMT

In article <19971027130600.IAA04012@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dcody25@aol.com (DCody25) writes:

>
>I think touching up lipstick and maybe a dash of powder is appropriate at a
> restaurant table or any public area. I'm reminded of the time that some >helmet
> head sprayed Aqua Net on her in the waiting area at Detroit Metro. The >smell,
> I wanted to choke her:)

A touch-up is fine...it's a great opportunity to check your teeth to be sure all is clear from lunch! Hair spray or parfum would be a no-no....

Connie
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:39 -0500

EmilyCCG wrote:

>
> I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places > like at a table in a restaurant. Comments?

Well I don't like to apply makeup in public- not because I'm Ms. Manners or anything, but because I tend to make funny faces during application! How embarassing :P Does anyone else's face have these 'refex' movements when applying eyeliner or lipstick (mouth opening or frowning, etc.)? Maybe I'm just extraordinarily strange...

Peace & purple,
Sheri :)
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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 27 Oct 1997 21:07:23 GMT

>Does anyone else's face have these 'refex' movements when applying >eyeliner or lipstick (mouth opening or frowning, etc.)? Maybe I'm just >extraordinarily strange...

No, I do the same thing, especially with blush and mascara! That is the exact reason why I wait to reapply these til I get home or in my car, before I take off, of course. But lipstick and powder touch up is quite ok in my opinion.
Sandra in Ohio
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ariel, Listen to me! The human world...it's a mess!!!-Sebastian of the Little Mermaid

Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:38:34 GMT

I think today is a perfect example, during lunch, right before another interview, I sat in the cafeteria in school, the ENGINEERING cafe and pulled out my lipstick, and my blot powder, put on lipstick and blotted my face :) I would do the same at the dinner table, AFTER dinner. However, I wouldn't do it during a business dinner or lunch :) I guess it's a good idea to judge it by the company around you to see if they would be offended.. engineers? I can do it right in front of them, and they wouldn't notice :) hee hee [yes, another jab at my fellow students.]

May (Stila C/Clinique Fair, Dark Brown Hair, Brown Eyes) http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/~yanp/

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:51:59 -0500

Call me uptight, but I can't stand seeing anyone applying makeup at the table. I have a friend that does it all the time and it always makes me cringe.
Paula

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: 28 Oct 1997 17:00:18 GMT

Applying a nice lipstick with a pretty compact is okay, and sometimes even elegant.Everything else should be done in private.(and of course, don't even do the lipstick at a business event or on a first date).
--B

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:56:50 GMT

On 27 Oct 1997 04:10:40 GMT, emilyccg@aol.com (EmilyCCG) wrote:
>I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places > like at a table in a restaurant. Comments?

I only apply makeup at a restaurant table when I'm with alt.fashionites! <vbg> Otherwise at a restaurant I will go to the bathroom. As for other public places, I apply lipstick and pressed powder only if people can't watch me.

Wei

	Recently, a thread appeared on alt.fashion (if you haven't checked out this news group, you must!) that I thought crossdressers would find interesting: fixing makeup in public places. I would guess that most crossdressers would consider this a no-no and a dead giveaway. I always thought applying makeup in public would be wrong for me to do. Much to my surprise, the fashion mavens of that newsgroup overwhelmingly felt otherwise. The consensus was that minor fixes to makeup in public were OK, especially in restaurants! These fixes were pretty much limited to lipstick and a touch of powder to the face and only during social occassions. It was considered taboo to apply lipstick at the table during a business lunch or meeting. Other makeup touch-ups, such as blush, eye shadow or liner, and especially fragrences, were definately considered inappropriate in public. One participant in the thread made an interesting point. She noted that for herself, she tends to make some exagerated facial expressions when applying lipstick and felt it was better to do so in private. Well taken! At any rate, here is the complete thread, minus some message header information. Enjoy! *Yvonne*

Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:37:03 -0600 EmilyCCG wrote: > I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places > like at a table in a restaurant. Comments? Love it. Don't change a thing. Al Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:20:00 +0100 After every meal, my extremely stylish and beautiful grandmother pulls out her compact, lipstick, and lipbrush. She then powders her nose and applies her lipstick for all the world to see. My parents refer to this as a "forties thing." I think she looks very elegant when she does it. -Nicole Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 28 Oct 1997 16:52:18 GMT >After every meal, my extremely stylish and beautiful grandmother pulls >out her compact, lipstick, and lipbrush. She then powders her nose and >applies her lipstick for all the world to see. My parents refer to this >as a "forties thing." I think she looks very elegant when she does it. >-Nicole Absolutely. My mom does the same thing. (She's in her mid 70's). She will not get up from the dining table without her lipstick. It's almost like the time spent going to the restroom without lipstick is the faux pas... Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 27 Oct 1997 11:29:43 GMT I love this quote from Scarlett's catalogue - Only Real Women Repair in Public. Depends on who I'm with, I guess. At a business type dinner, I'd never put on lipstick. I wouldn't do it on a first date. If I'm with a group of female friends at a cheesy pizza place or in the mall, yeah, I'll throw on some lipstick, maybe even a Blot Powder quick fix (hey if you had skin as oily as mine you'd do it too...when I swim in the ocean they have to clean off all the animals afterwards...) Blush, eye anything, and foundation seem to be no-nos in my book. But I don't think I've ever looked at anyone repairing in public and thought "Oh, how tacky". I often have the "lipstick on teeth" syndrome, and better to whip out the mirror than go around grinning all day looking like a complete idiot. Angela <annonymous> wrote: : Most of the time i run to the bathroom to apply, but i'll dare to apply: lipstick, liner, and powder at the table. Anything else-- go to the ladies room. No one under 17 admitted without parent! Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:37:52 GMT >I'm reminded of the time that some helmet head sprayed Aqua Net on her in the waiting area at Detroit Metro. The >smell, I wanted to choke her:) >Donna > > Yeah, Donna. An ex-friend of mine sprayed her Paul Michel Freeze and Shine on in my compact car with the windows closed. How inconsiderate! I was literally choking from it. (She's an ex-friend for other reasons as well.) Barb ~ ~ o o (* \/ ) <> U Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 27 Oct 1997 14:53:30 GMT imho, a dab of powder and application of lipstick is fine at the table amongst friends or a casual lunch. however, when lunching with clients, or boss in a non casual environment a visit to the powder room is the most appropriate way.......but please never ever douse oneself in public with fragrance or hairspray!!! not exactly miss manners huh???? lisa in dallas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.beautycafe.com come get ugly at the beauty cafe!!! !ugly, burts bees, primal elements, just a few of the new lines available!! Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 27 Oct 1997 15:46:39 GMT In article <19971027130600.IAA04012@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dcody25@aol.com (DCody25) writes:* > >I think touching up lipstick and maybe a dash of powder is appropriate at a > restaurant table or any public area. I'm reminded of the time that some >helmet > head sprayed Aqua Net on her in the waiting area at Detroit Metro. The >smell, > I wanted to choke her:) A touch-up is fine...it's a great opportunity to check your teeth to be sure all is clear from lunch! Hair spray or parfum would be a no-no.... Connie ******************************************************************* Come by and visit us at www.beautycafe.com....Lisa's been out shopping and we have loads of fun new stuff!! ***************************************************************** Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:13:39 -0500 EmilyCCG wrote: > > I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places > like at a table in a restaurant. Comments? Well I don't like to apply makeup in public- not because I'm Ms. Manners or anything, but because I tend to make funny faces during application! How embarassing :P Does anyone else's face have these 'refex' movements when applying eyeliner or lipstick (mouth opening or frowning, etc.)? Maybe I'm just extraordinarily strange... Peace & purple, Sheri :) -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ _ _----_ o \|...when you learn { ~\_/ o \ o o \|to love yourself { ~ _ ] < o \|you will dissolve {_~/ \_ _/ \|all the stones \/-- \|that are cast... Seaphish@aol.com \| -Amy Ray SEAllen@sprintmail.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 27 Oct 1997 21:07:23 GMT >Does anyone else's face have these 'refex' movements when applying >eyeliner or lipstick (mouth opening or frowning, etc.)? Maybe I'm just >extraordinarily strange... No, I do the same thing, especially with blush and mascara! That is the exact reason why I wait to reapply these til I get home or in my car, before I take off, of course. But lipstick and powder touch up is quite ok in my opinion. Sandra in Ohio ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ariel, Listen to me! The human world...it's a mess!!!-Sebastian of the Little Mermaid Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:38:34 GMT I think today is a perfect example, during lunch, right before another interview, I sat in the cafeteria in school, the ENGINEERING cafe and pulled out my lipstick, and my blot powder, put on lipstick and blotted my face :) I would do the same at the dinner table, AFTER dinner. However, I wouldn't do it during a business dinner or lunch :) I guess it's a good idea to judge it by the company around you to see if they would be offended.. engineers? I can do it right in front of them, and they wouldn't notice :) hee hee [yes, another jab at my fellow students.] May (Stila C/Clinique Fair, Dark Brown Hair, Brown Eyes) http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/~yanp/ Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:51:59 -0500 Call me uptight, but I can't stand seeing anyone applying makeup at the table. I have a friend that does it all the time and it always makes me cringe. Paula Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: 28 Oct 1997 17:00:18 GMT Applying a nice lipstick with a pretty compact is okay, and sometimes even elegant.Everything else should be done in private.(and of course, don't even do the lipstick at a business event or on a first date). --B Newsgroups: alt.fashion Subject: Re: Applying makeup at the table Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:56:50 GMT On 27 Oct 1997 04:10:40 GMT, emilyccg@aol.com (EmilyCCG) wrote: >I'm curious about everyone's feelings on makeup application in public places > like at a table in a restaurant. Comments? I only apply makeup at a restaurant table when I'm with alt.fashionites! <vbg> Otherwise at a restaurant I will go to the bathroom. As for other public places, I apply lipstick and pressed powder only if people can't watch me. Wei**